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My Views on Evolution – A Reply to My Critics

26 Jan

In a previous post I referenced a survey done by LifeWay Research on the topic of creation. In that post I stated the way I would have answered the questions based on my present studies and thinking. I should emphasize that this was meant to be a conversation starter and only an indicator of the direction I found myself heading. I have come to no firm conclusions with the exception of the age of the universe which I do believe in an old earth. Among my few respondents I had two which I think warrant a reply. First I want to say something about the nature of this blog.

The Purpose of this Blog

I write this blog as an employee of Baker Book House. I am not, however, an official spokesperson for the store. My thoughts are entirely my own and are reflective of my reading. As a retailer I’m often asked what I’m reading and what I recommend on various topics. This blog is intended to engage a wide variety of topics I find of interest. I sometimes feature books with which I have disagreements but I still think are of value in that they are addressing questions people are asking. For example, in the post mentioned above I referenced the newest book by Peter Enns, The Evolution of Adam.  There is much in this book that I questioned and thought was wrong but I still think the book is worth engaging and it raises important questions. As any blog does I do mention other items of interest that I find on the web as I did with this LifeWay survey. Our staff reflects a wide spectrum (with due respect to Roger Olson’s objections to the idea of a “spectrum”) within the Christian community and I would never intend to speak for anyone other than myself.

Response to Russ

Russ writes:

“The first is that science has not “proven” the age of the universe or the Earth. You can “prove” these things if you accept certain foundational presuppositions, but there’s really no reason to accept those presuppositions. The second is that evolution is a theory in crisis, a theory with many holes covered up with “just so stories.”

“You say that Christians who don’t believe in evolution must be ignorant. I say you’re committing the same fallacy you accuse other Christians of (claiming scientists are ignorant).

“Don’t just read evolutionists on this score, read some real responses. You say you want to have people to engage with –well, you’re not going to get there by saying Christians who don’t agree are ignorant right off the bat, and must claim ignorance in order to join the conversation.

Russ asks that I not “just read evolutionists on this score.” Far from it. Everything (with the exception of two books) I’ve read prior to this has been from people opposed to evolution! I’ve read Philip Johnson, J. P. Moreland, Michael Behe, William Dembski, Stephen Meyer and others (some of these writers accept some aspects of evolution like common ancestry while rejecting other aspects like random mutation). I recall many years ago listening to a debate between Norman Geisler and an evolutionist (I don’t recall his name) and was persuaded that Geisler won the debate hands down.

I have been a Christian for 37 years. I am a graduate of Moody Bible Institute and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. I have attended Presbyterian, Baptist, CRC, Charismatic, Independent Bible, and Evangelical Free churches. I have been in Christian retail for eleven years and have talked with hundreds of customers. This evangelical conservative community is what I was referring to by “religious community” and I stand by my assessment that most of them are sorely ignorant of science. Clearly, I know there are exceptions to this. Russ says he’s part of that minority which is great. I never meant to imply that if you don’t consider or believe in evolution then you must be ignorant of science. That simply doesn’t follow. My intention was to say that far too many Christians, myself included, have rejected evolution without seriously engaging the science involved. Finally, Russ quotes me on his blog but leaves off the last line of the quote which said, “Unfortunately, the level of Biblical knowledge in the religious community is sometimes equally deplorable.” I would have expected a bigger objection to that.

Response to Ken Ham and an anonymous emailer:

Noted Creationist Ken Ham was sent a notice of my post by an AiG supporter. In reply Ham bemoaned the state of our parent company Baker Publishing and my own consideration of evolution. I will not speak for our publishing house but only for what concerns me in Ham’s reply. Ham quotes from the email he received which he says “sums up the situation.” The email stated:

“I found it interesting to see the steps to apostasy eroding this man’s (Louis) faith as well as the LifeWay Research chart he included. . . Although I hate to see this happening before my eyes, I am reminded of the original sin where Satan tempted Eve with the heretical and evolutionary ideas of becoming like God and not trusting the words of God completely.”

Ham concludes his post with this comment:

“We can clearly see the seeds of doubt leading to unbelief operating in this employee at a Christian book publisher as the influence of compromising with evolution and millions of years takes its toll.”

First, by way of clarification, I don’t work for the publishing division but the retail store and the two are very different entities. Second, as a store we carry and sell products by Ken Ham and will continue to do so. The email to Ham says I’m on my way to apostasy. I don’t see it that way but I suspect that won’t change his/her mind but only reinforce the impression that I’m deceived by Satan. It is the rhetoric of this email and Ham’s response which don’t foster conversation but alienates people with questions. Far better was the final line from Russ’s post where he said, “Let me encourage you, when you encounter someone like this blogger, to engage them with real arguments. Get educated, and get engaged.” Yes! I couldn’t agree more. Let’s get engaged. The attitude of the email sent to Ham has judged me before even asking me a single question about what was causing my doubts.

Yes, I am considering the case for evolution. Yes, I am finding it more persuasive than before. That’s why I said it was a conversation worth having. Don’t simply make me a poster boy for the latest dupe to be fooled by evolutionary science. Don’t push me aside as a deluded puppet of Satan. Let’s just talk.

(A coworker of mine has offered some thoughts of his own on his personal blog. I appreciate his thoughts and encouragement. May his tribe increase.)

 

About Louis

I am a 1997 graduate of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield Illinois. I majored in Christian Theology with a cognate in Church History. I have worked for Baker Book House since September 2000.
10 Comments

Posted by on January 26, 2012 in Science

 

10 Responses to My Views on Evolution – A Reply to My Critics

  1. Jeff

    January 26, 2012 at 9:54 am

    You know Louis, sometimes things like this happen. One of the major problems of outreach & evangelism today is because of the years and years of Christians beating people over the head with the Bible.
    (I start off like this because the context of your previous blog was to open a conversation and not to bring in all the ‘beating over the head’).

    While I am very conservative in Biblical exegesis and interpretation, and hold to a literal Genesis account and a young earth… I still really enjoy dialog with others of opposing views.
    For example, I have one friend who is a over a PhD program at a state university here in Georgia and she calls me a “Scripturalist.” (LOL) But I add this because her and I dialog on many, many things. Not too long ago she was lost and totally hooked into humanistic evolutionary philosophy. Today she is an active Christian in a secular university. If I would have simply beat her over the head with the Bible instead of a few years of dialog and talk to see her point of view, well, I would have never been able to actually lead her to the Lord.
    (And I have many other examples of people I could add to this list that would fall under this area)

    The Lord has effectively built me to be able to carry on conversations, relationships, and ministry with the intellectuals, the business arena, as well as to the common people. But one cannot do this by simply closed-minded thinking, much less closed-minded actions.

    I think many, many times Christians totally forget that we are vessels for the work, and not the actual means of the work. Meaning that, if we, as Christians, get out of the way long enough the Holy Spirit can do His job.

    In all of this, I totally encourage you to move forward Louis!
    While I may not accept or hold your direct views, I still respect the fact that you are taking it upon yourself to actually look into these things. One of the major downfalls of the churches today is that the Christians took a seat a long time ago and no longer engage the intellectual community, and usually if they do the begin by beating them over the head with the Bible.
    God’s word will speak for itself… all we can do is join God on HIS mission.

    Tell Ken Ham to go waste his money and build his ark…

    Hold your head up my brother… Keep moving forward!

    Blessings to you and yours always!

     
    • Louis

      January 26, 2012 at 11:17 pm

      Hi Jeff,
      Thank you for your comment. You’re right, things like this happen. I would have never imagined this kind of reaction to a simple post expressing such tentative thoughts. You display a kind and gracious attitude which is very inviting. You mentioned that it was a “few years of dialog” with your friend. That attitude of patience is commendable. Too often people think we should be able to convince each other after a couple of hours over a cup of coffee and a donut. The issues are more difficult than that. The struggles are real and when someone like you is willing to walk beside a friend and talk and listen then progress can be made. There are no guarantees about the outcome but both people will be better for the journey. Thanks again for your kind words and encouragement. May God richly bless you.

       
  2. Paul D. Adams

    January 27, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    “most of them are sorely ignorant of science” and “the level of Biblical knowledge in the religious community is sometimes equally deplorable”

    Good grief! What’s left?
    Only shallow, uninformed opinion pregnant with a hermeneutical tradition that can’t see the forest for the trees.

    Okay…I feel better now.

     
  3. Heather

    January 27, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    “Tell Ken Ham to go waste his money and build his ark…”

    How disappointing that you should write such a thing after talking about Christians bashing Christians. He’s your brother in Christ.

     
  4. Jeff

    January 28, 2012 at 7:10 am

    @Heather
    There is not any “bashing” in that comment… Go back and read the context.

    Put it this way… If you are indeed a Christian, well, then you are my sister in Christ as well. But that does not mean that I would not tell you if I thought you were doing something wasteful or even stupid.
    Do not get me wrong in any way, I am very grateful for Ken Ham, and the work the Lord has allowed him to do, but by the same token that does not mean I have to agree with anything he does or says.

    I do think what we have here is the current flow of the paradigm of the Christianity inside the postmodern culture and society. Seems everyone is busy “playing church,” “playing the parts,” and just simply being plastic people while wearing painted faces. There comes a time when one must be real. But we have entered a most problematic realm when one does not express or simply tell it like it is. I am real, you are real, so be real.

    This is not bashing… this is expressing an opinion. Nothing is disrespectful or unaccountable in that comment. Out of the entire comment you could only pick up on that one thing? Maybe that is disappointing that you have missed the entire context of this entire blog post and the comments therein. (Just a thought)..

    Of course, there should always be a line of respectfulness and accountability when one tells it like it is. So in that, I do not agree with Ken Ham building and ark, nor do I agree with his comments toward Louis, nor do I agree with the anonymous e-mailer that does not have a backbone.
    Does not mean in any way that I am bashing them or being disrespectful…

    So, in essence, we still have the same issue going on here… people in general, and Christians in particular, are having a hard time reading posts and comments and allowing others to share an opinion or thought.

    Sorry it is disappointing to you Ms. Heather…

     
  5. Timothy Fish

    January 28, 2012 at 8:04 am

    In college, I took biology from an atheist professor and learned more about God and creation than I did in any other class. But he couldn’t see it. While I listened to him telling us about all of the things the cells do in the performance of their tasks, I was amazed at how great God must be to have designed a system that would work so well. But as Jesus said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” My professor didn’t have ears to hear.

    But the so called science isn’t there. There has never been any evidence to indicate that DNA can randomly come together from some soupy substance and form in such a way that it can reproduce itself. It is easier to dismiss that problem when we look at the Universe as very old because it seems like that with enough stars and enough planets existing through a long enough time, anything that could happen will happen. But no one has proven that to be true. That would be like saying it would be possible to write a novel if you have billions of monkeys randomly hitting keys on a keyboard over a period of billions of years. Without billions of years, science can neither prove or disprove that.

    What we do know is that the Bible says that God created the Earth in six days and rested on the seventh. We know that there is far more evidence to show that the Bible is true than there is evidence to support any of the theories surrounding evolution or old Earth. We know that Jesus himself taught Genesis as true. Science has never been based on proof but on the proponderance of evidence. Since the proponderance of evidence shows the Bible to be true, we would do well to accept what the Bible has to say and then figure out where we went wrong in our assumptions if they are leading us to theories that don’t support the proponderance of evidence that shows the Bible to be true.

     
  6. Adam Forrest (Zondervan employee)

    January 28, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Louis, I admire the grace and good sense you’ve shown throughout this conflict. I’m sure the situation has been stressful for you.

    As a blogger and a Christian, this has been a useful object lesson in the importance of listening, checking my facts, and asking questions when I don’t know.

    You’re modeling more than courtesy and journalistic ethics — you’re modeling Christian charity. It’s been an encouragement to me.

    May *your* tribe increase.

    -Adam Forrest

     
    • Andrew Rogers

      January 30, 2012 at 3:31 pm

      Adam eloquently summed up everything I would have written. So I’ll just add a “ditto.”
      Thanks for your blogging, Louis. You always get me thinking, and you steer me towards the Bible. Nothing could be better.

      Andrew

       

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